The AI Question

[Barbarella]

I know some folks from FBC will not join this forum due to it allowing full AI-created images or video shorts. That is your decision, however, hear me out.

The biggest defence against not allowing AI-generated images is the argument that it has "stolen" other images, art or other human-made content and is using those assets to create an image. Yes, that part is true. However, using that argument to shut down the case for AI is quite literally the dictionary example of being a hypocrite.

Why?

Let me explain.

Go to FemBotCentrals Wiki. Take a look at the majority of the photo-based manipulations that have gone on in there, now ask yourself two questions.

1: Did the manipulator ask the model's permission to alter her work?
2: Did the manipulator ask the permission of the studio (MetModel, MetArt, Erotic-Art etc) for permission to use those images, and, in some cases SELL THOSE IMAGES ON PATREON?

I can guarantee you, the answer to both of those questions is no.

The fact of the matter is, for decades, photomanipulation has been going on in the ASFR community with what is essentially stolen content. The "Fair Use" argument which some people have come up with is immediately shut down by the fact that these images are not released under a fair use license and are sold commercially! The community itself is not big enough to entice the wrath of DMCA Take-Down's by the likes of Met-Art. However, if you read the fine print of every single paid model site, from Met-Art to Erotic-Art and swinging back to MetModels, you will see that their fine print explicitly denies permission for reuse, re-edit or reupload to sites which are now belonging to the studio, the model or their affiliates.

To wrap this up. I used to be a model for SuicideGirls. I still know the owner of SuicideGirls. She (yes, its a female that owns it) already knows that some of the SuicideGirl model images has been used in the past by photomaippers in the Fembotwiki, but they are used for such a small niche, in such a small community that she, along with other like Erotic-Art and Met-Models just let us get away with it. She did state however, that if the model studios decided to shut down FembotCentral's Wiki...that they would be able to do it within 48 hours.

So, go ahead and have your hatred for AI. Just remember, though...the model studios are essentially ALLOWING us to continue. They can snap their collective fingers at any time and shut us down.

[Kishin]

I stopped doing manips after Xeran got hit with takedowns for his manips. I decided to stick to 100% digital creation, using models I bought and paid for that I had full commercial rights to.

[Woollahra]

There should be room in this life for both the purely digital, the manipulated, and also the stuff that's heavily or purely done by hand or with a camera. Frankly, I'm thankful that this forum sprang up. The hatred for AI stuff in the previous forum I was in was kind of... awkward.

[TinyTank]

uh...it was my understanding you were banned for being antagonistic towards the admin, not for the content you posted...or did i miss something?

[MIRAGE]

Anything I had posted got removed instantly, even links, even there was no reasons to, and the owner directly message me telling me pretty much Fuck off, we remove everything you post even if you didn't break any rules. I was also contacted secretly by multiple members telling me wonderful stories about the mods and owner and their tyranny over there.

Look, when I left a while ago, my posts kept being attacked by weirdos non stop and from what I was told, things only got worst since.

From the few exchanges I got with the owners at fembotcentral, they really have mental issue in my Professional Opinion as a certified Doctor from the Internet.

My last post there was a jab at them and it proved my point.

Anyway, don't fucking care, I am just here to post my shit for everyone to enjoy it, or not.

I am a big believer in free speech, Zero censoring, big tits and AI. Amen.

[mechybara]

This definition of technology often comes to my mind nowadays.

1) everything that’s already in the world when you’re born is just normal;

2) anything that gets invented between then and before you turn thirty is incredibly exciting and creative and with any luck you can make a career out of it;

3) anything that gets invented after you’re thirty is against the natural order of things and the beginning of the end of civilisation as we know it until it’s been around for about ten years when it gradually turns out to be alright really.

Apply this list to movies, rock music, word processors and mobile phones to work out how old you are.

We no longer think of chairs as technology, we just think of them as chairs. But there was a time when we hadn’t worked out how many legs chairs should have, how tall they should be, and they would often ‘crash’ when we tried to use them. Before long, computers will be as trivial and plentiful as chairs (and a couple of decades or so after that, as sheets of paper or grains of sand) and we will cease to be aware of the things.

How to Stop Worrying and Learn to Love the Internet, Douglas Adams, 1999

[sbot2015]

This community is niche enough as it is, posturing on some sort of moral stance is beyond misguided. They hold no ground on this considering photoshop itself is getting more and more ai integrated without even getting started on the copyright and permission argument lol. We should be as welcoming as possible and embracing AI tools just allows a lot more content and exploration. Hope this site takes off.

[Barbarella]

This community is niche enough as it is, posturing on some sort of moral stance is beyond misguided. They hold no ground on this considering photoshop itself is getting more and more ai integrated without even getting started on the copyright and permission argument lol. We should be as welcoming as possible and embracing AI tools just allows a lot more content and exploration. Hope this site takes off.

You nailed it!

Adobe has been force-feeding their rather awkward AI into EVERYTHING they have in the Adobe Cloud, the worst part is ya cant even opt out of most of it. You export a file (PNG, JPG) from Photoshop? Guess what, the Photoshop AI is actually scanning the file on the first save pass to "touch it up". You use masking to add panels? Guess what, the Photoshop AI is scanning the feathering of the mask to "touch it up". It will get to the stage very soon where Adobe will lock in their AI completely, so there is no way around it.

[Robotman]

There's always GIMP for us poor people.

[Froggy99]

Still using a completely legal not in any way pirated and/or cracked version of Photoshop CS 5.1 I should learn something more up to date, but it's comfortable.